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Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Movieguy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:37 pm

So I was listening to the sequalcast and Redstar said watching the film in the theater with the whole picture is a really different experince.

I would like to know if Redstar or anyone else could point out or list some things that can be seen only in the theatrical widescreen version.

Also Redstar the news from you is really making me excited. I hope things go well. :mrgreen:

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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Redstar » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:53 pm

I can't say if any of the differences or improvements from the theatrical print compared to the DVD release is really a matter of it being widescreen rather than full screen, though I can tell you that the picture quality was incomparable. It was much cleaner and detailed with the color really 'popping.' It wasn't as washed-out as the DVD release has made accustomed.

The biggest difference, however, was the audio mix. We really had no idea how poorly the sound had been converted for release. There were literally sound cues and moments that you can't even hear in the DVD, while others (such as explosions) are more louder and more pronounced.

Phlibbit was there with me, so he should be able to offer a much more technical outlook than I can. Expect to see him post here soon! :D

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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby nintendonut1 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:57 pm

There's one shot in particular that leaps out at me.

In the scene where Yoshi first appears, the shot where Daisy recoils on the couch is way different on the original VHS I had. There was like the whole camera move after she recoils just to show Yoshi, whereas in the DVD, it's a static shot and you can see both of them.

I don't know if that's what you mean, though.
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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Phlibbit » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:13 pm

That shot you're talking about is because some shots in widescreen films don't translate well to fullscreen when there are two characters in a shot on the extreme ends of the frame. When that happens you'll see an artificial camera shift to what the focus of that scene is. It's usually pretty noticeable when it happens and it's usually when you have two characters speaking to each other from both ends of the frame. I checked my VHS copy of SMB and that camera shift does happen, but it's not that bad.

I've had the luxury of seeing two different 35mm prints of the film in LA and NC. Like Redstar said, they're fantastic.

The only release of SMB that is fullscreen would be the VHS. The US DVD, however is NON-anamorphic widescreen, so while it's widescreen, the resolution is the same as a fullscreen DVD.

So when we saw the film in the theater, it's the same aspect ratio as the DVD is, only it's at a MUCH higher resolution. Just think of it as watching a Blu-Ray quality film on the big screen. Much more detail all around--to me it was most noticeable in the long shots of Dinohattan, and then on character close-ups like when Koopa is talking to the de-evolved King in Devo 4. It was also noticeably less "grainy" looking than the US DVD, with much more vibrant colors.

And like Redstar said, we noticed an even bigger difference in the audio mix. I long suspected that the audio on the DVD wasn't as good as it could be and I was proven right. Not only was the dialogue and score crystal clear, but there were TONS of great ambient noises and sounds in the backgrounds of many scenes that made the entire film seem more alive.

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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Movieguy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:15 pm

Thanks Redstar this sounds totally awesome!

You know what other movie needs a new release. Popeye. Apprently there was a fight between bluto and popeye at the end of the film. Though this is only a rumor my father has always told me. In some ways popeye is the comicbook/cartoon movie equivelent of Mario bros when it comes to production problems. I would really love to see a fansite for it just like this.

Ok enough about the sailor. I need to rewatch the film I do not have the means too. I need to update the java on my sisters laptop. Yet donut said about the yoshi scene.

That scene felt as if it had no purpose but to show yoshi. If yoshi owuld of done something else in the movie I think I would of liked movie yoshi more. Heck full grown yoshi's, since Koopas looked like a baby.

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Phlibbit wrote:And like Redstar said, we noticed an even bigger difference in the audio mix. I long suspected that the audio on the DVD wasn't as good as it could be and I was proven right. Not only was the dialogue and score crystal clear, but there were TONS of great ambient noises and sounds in the backgrounds of many scenes that made the entire film seem more alive.

Wow that is cool I don't remeber the film having any ambience or background noise. Another thing is the movie is DARK. sometimes it's hard to even see some things. So knowing the theatrical version is the best there is is cool and kind of sad.

Unless we had a machine to transfer the film into data form then we are kind of stuck. Though I am in Texas ATM I would love to see it in theaters in the future.

Since the movie has so much that is never shown of the sets.. (unless all of the missing stuff is in the other 30 minutes) This really adds to the whole idea that the movie is really incomplete on dvd and vhs. I've only watched it on vhs sadly. I assumed the vhs and dvd edition's were the same.

Oh and why do you think the dvd had such crappy sound quality?

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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Phlibbit » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:34 pm

If you're in Texas, you're in luck. The film is coming to Dallas in August :)

I think the sound mix on the DVD is poor because I'm suspecting that the US DVD is a transfer of what was done for the Laserdisc version. The DVD says it has 5.1 Digital Surround, but on my dad's amazing home theater setup, it still sounds very flat and most of the audio is centralized on the front speakers. The film print's mix is much better and sounds amazing when it's running through a theatrical surround system.

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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Movieguy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:42 pm

Phlibbit wrote:If you're in Texas, you're in luck. The film is coming to Dallas in August :)

I live in spring, but I need to know when in august. Normally I live in WV. So maybe mid or early august would be best.

Also my siblings are moving soon so I will be with them for a little longer for the start of august helping them move.

So yeah once you annouce it I would love to try and go.

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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Redstar » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:00 pm

Our Dallas screenings will be at midnight on Friday and Saturday (3rd and 4th) at the Inwood Theatre in Dallas. Hopefully you can make either showing! :D

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Re: Differences from the fullscreen and widescreen versions?

Postby Movieguy » Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:00 pm

Atm I am in spring and Dallas is a fair amount away off from me. Yet If anyone on the forum lives in spring I would love to catch a ride with them. Though since google maps isn't working well all I know is Dallas is FAR away.

Oh and it's pretty awesome the Film on the theatre site has over 100 likes so far.


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