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Lets say the makers of the movie decided to go back and make changes to the SMB movie like how Lucas made the infamous changes to the orginal Star Wars movies on DVD and Blue Ray. Just for fun what would somethings you would add in or change to the SMB movie?

I would update the scene where Mario is floating through the dimensions with modern CGI but keep the real Bob Hoskins rotoscoped into it.

The special effects for the movie have actually aged very well considering the technical limitations of the time and the budget. Not only that, but the SFX is limited largely to brief but important shots.

The most appropriate application of modern digital effects would be completing sequences that might were dropped due to technical limitations. I'm sure there's a handful of really cool scenes they had to drop or change simply because they couldn't get them to work. As for the actual movie and what was completed: as a cult classic it almost seems disrespectful to change what we've come to love regardless of quality.

The only genuine change from the actual movie I might be interested in seeing would be Toad's transition into a Goomba made into more than just a morph. I'm curious how the "stages" between Goomba and dino-human look.

I love all the effects. Part of the charm of course.

But I'd maybe make a cut when the "goomba mattress" (although in Dinohattan I hear they just call it a mattress) comes flying out of the pipe. Just cut the scene a little to make it look like the pipe was closer or something. There're an abundance of leaps of faith I gladly take when watching SMB but when that mattress flies in a perfect diagonal line, gliding for that bit too long it's pretty cringe worthy.

Also maybe I'd replace Yoshi with an overly shiny CGI model. And replace some of the Devo guns with walkie talkies.

Replace all of the Goombas as CGI, and then take every flame thrower, and devolution gun, and replace them with walkie talkies. That is the perfect way to George Lucas the SMB movie.

Lol, I saw the title of the topic and immediately thought: "Make three HORRENDOUS prequels and spit in the fans' faces."

Nothing like an even shittier movie to bring us all together.

Carl wrote:Lol, I saw the title of the topic and immediately thought: "Make three HORRENDOUS prequels and spit in the fans' faces."

What?! The prequels were really good.

I would have it be put into 3D, ala Lucas is doing. And then also add "Smell-O-Vision", because I imagine there would be some really crazy smells for that film. I would give it a 70mm blow up print. As from what I have learned, printing 35mm on to 70mm actually enhances the resolution of 35mm (This was done for Dr. Zhivago in 1965.).
Give it a Dolby 7.1 surround sound audio/soundtrack remaster. That's about all I could think of, not very Lucasian actually.

jka12002 wrote:What?! The prequels were really good.

You're right

In my case, I will be more explicit showing more takes of the mergin' and back to normal of the dimentions, because I fell that the movie doesn't explain this well

Lucas did something like that when he incorporated different planets celebring the Empire's fall.

Also, incorporing more scenes and extend ones

ultimateemail5000 wrote:Replace all of the Goombas as CGI, and then take every flame thrower, and devolution gun, and replace them with walkie talkies. That is the perfect way to George Lucas the SMB movie.

That's Steven Spielberg, by the way.

As for me...crap, I can't think of anywhere in the movie that calls for Mario "not shooting first."

Prime Evil wrote:

ultimateemail5000 wrote:Replace all of the Goombas as CGI, and then take every flame thrower, and devolution gun, and replace them with walkie talkies. That is the perfect way to George Lucas the SMB movie.

That's Steven Spielberg, by the way.

As for me...crap, I can't think of anywhere in the movie that calls for Mario "not shooting first."

The devolution of Koopa scene could work for Mario "not shooting first." When koopa fires the fireball at them they could add a digital rendered shot of Mario firing a missed shot with the De-vo gun.

Couple of additional changes I wouldn't mind seeing:

1.) If at all possible, it might be better to show Lena simply screaming while utterly disintegrating into ash and swirling away rather than the undignified gasp then blast into the wall as a skeleton. I think this would be fairly easy to pull off and should make the scene a little scarier and more somber. (If not this, then simply cut Luigi's disrespectful and pace-breaking joke)

2.) I think it would be awesome to expand on the "merging-of-the-dimensions" concept. Essentially, show the repercussions of the worlds colliding much more elaborately. The easiest way to do this would be to have wideshots of more popular New York landmarks phasing into their Dinohattan counterparts, such as the Statue of Liberty into the Statue of Repression.

Adding just one more such transformation would do a lot towards both heightening the climax and taking attention away from the unfortunate Trade Center effect, which likely cannot be entirely removed.

Other effects I would like to see are more "on-the-street" mergings, such as Goombas appearing in random places or a human club becoming the Boom Boom Bar. Unfortunately, unless such shots or shots that could be repurposed in this regard were filmed during production, we'd probably have to go for a modern re-shoot, which is very unlikely.

I don't know much abouat Lucasing but I'd love to Peter Jacksonize it lol by adding in deleted scenes and extending some scenes, like the devolution chamber scene so we can finally know where that gloop comes from.

Redstar wrote:Couple of additional changes I wouldn't mind seeing:

1.) If at all possible, it might be better to show Lena simply screaming while utterly disintegrating into ash and swirling away rather than the undignified gasp then blast into the wall as a skeleton. I think this would be fairly easy to pull off and should make the scene a little scarier and more somber. (If not this, then simply cut Luigi's disrespectful and pace-breaking joke)

Nah, leave the "blasting into the wall." It shows you what happens when the meteorite rejects someone who isn't supposed to merge the dimensions--it rejects them in a big way. Besides, we'd only have a different one-liner. "Ashes to ashes; dust to dust," maybe?

"She shertainly made a big firsht impression, wouldn't you shay, Daishy?"

I am completely and totally against everything George Lucas has done to his own films and will lash out against anyone who thinks it's a good idea to go back every three years and digitally alter films that were perfectly fine upon their releases in '77, '80 and '83. When a movie is complete, it is complete, the only reason to go back and edit it is for "digital remastering," that is to say, removing grain or doing a high-quality transfer. Going back and adding things new that you couldn't at the time is a sin, it's the censorship of your own imagination-- it's a sin and it should be a crime. If I had my way, George Lucas would have been drug out behind the shed and put down like Old Yeller for what he did to Star Wars.

Serum wrote:I am completely and totally against everything George Lucas has done to his own films and will lash out against anyone who thinks it's a good idea to go back every three years and digitally alter films that were perfectly fine upon their releases in '77, '80 and '83. When a movie is complete, it is complete, the only reason to go back and edit it is for "digital remastering," that is to say, removing grain or doing a high-quality transfer. Going back and adding things new that you couldn't at the time is a sin, it's the censorship of your own imagination-- it's a sin and it should be a crime. If I had my way, George Lucas would have been drug out behind the shed and put down like Old Yeller for what he did to Star Wars.

This.

Have to agree. While some additions are a little cool, Lucas loves to go OTT. The other issue with the additions made in the Star Wars additions is the low quality of them (Due to the time period they were inserted). If you get the box set on Blu-Ray, these additions stick out like sore thumbs, and are horrendously low resolution compared to the rest of the film (Which is all film negative as opposed to upscaled digital additions). You would have thought, with the way he loves fiddling with the Star Wars movies, Lucas would have revamped these additions if he was gonna leave them in the Blu-Ray transfers at all!

The problem with the Star Wars films and revisiting them is that they are not actually Lucas' work. They're the product of contributions from his wife and friends in the film industry (including directors famous in their own right). Because of them, the films became much more strong and character-driven. The versions seen on screen were the best that could be produced at the time.

Super Mario Bros. certainly wasn't. Character arcs, political satire and actual edge were left on the cutting room floor only for the sake of running time and rating. Other scenes were left unfinished due to visual effects not yet being as easily produced as they are now. Revisiting Super Mario Bros. could do a lot in bringing it more towards Rocky and Annabel's original vision. It's not yet perfect. Star Wars was.

Redstar wrote:The problem with the Star Wars films and revisiting them is that they are not actually Lucas' work. They're the product of contributions from his wife and friends in the film industry (including directors famous in their own right). Because of them, the films became much more strong and character-driven. The versions seen on screen were the best that could be produced at the time.

Super Mario Bros. certainly wasn't. Character arcs, political satire and actual edge were left on the cutting room floor only for the sake of running time and rating. Other scenes were left unfinished due to visual effects not yet being as easily produced as they are now. Revisiting Super Mario Bros. could do a lot in bringing it more towards Rocky and Annabel's original vision. It's not yet perfect. Star Wars was.

I would have no problem if they went back and finished the incomplete scenes, but only under the condition that the technology they go about to do so with was the exact same kind of technology they used to make the film in 1992-- that is the only pure solution.

Serum wrote:I would have no problem if they went back and finished the incomplete scenes, but only under the condition that the technology they go about to do so with was the exact same kind of technology they used to make the film in 1992-- that is the only pure solution.

I'm sure the technology used in '92, although state-of-the-art at the time, is probably in a dumpster somewhere. It'd also not be time or cost-effective. I'd be satisfied with them using current technology as long as they made a conscious effort to emulate the style and look of the original effects. This work would preferably be done by Chris Woods and his team at Cinema Pixel since they'd know exactly how to revisit their own work.

Redstar wrote:

Serum wrote:I would have no problem if they went back and finished the incomplete scenes, but only under the condition that the technology they go about to do so with was the exact same kind of technology they used to make the film in 1992-- that is the only pure solution.

I'm sure the technology used in '92, although state-of-the-art at the time, is probably in a dumpster somewhere.

But it can be emulated, using modern technology-- not unlike how people emulate old video-games on the Atari 2600 and ColicoVision on their personal computers. I really think they could do that if they absolutely had to.

Redstar wrote:The problem with the Star Wars films and revisiting them is that they are not actually Lucas' work. They're the product of contributions from his wife and friends in the film industry (including directors famous in their own right). Because of them, the films became much more strong and character-driven. The versions seen on screen were the best that could be produced at the time.

That, and the fact that he wants only his "finished" versions to be released. Whatever Spielberg might have done when he re-released ET, at least he also included the original 1982 version in the DVD box-set so that it can stand the test of time.

Prime Evil wrote: That, and the fact that he wants only his "finished" versions to be released. Whatever Spielberg might have done when he re-released ET, at least he also included the original 1982 version in the DVD box-set so that it can stand the test of time.

Actually my Star Wars DVD set includes both the 2004 and original versions of each movie.

1upmushroom wrote:Actually my Star Wars DVD set includes both the 2004 and original versions of each movie.

The original version is not remastered like the 2004 update.

Im sure somewhere there would be a scene where Koopa shoots first before Mario, and all of the Goombas would hold walkie talkies instead of guns.

Funny, since Koopa is already holding a walkie-talkie. He'd be holding two if you changed the flame gun/devo gun.

Hmm... in this case, "George Lucas" = "Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel"...

I am both scared and intrigued by the notion of them setting foot anywhere near the movie again...

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:Hmm... in this case, "George Lucas" = "Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel"...

I am both scared and intrigued by the notion of them setting foot anywhere near the movie again...

The film was essentially the product of actor improvisation, daily rewrites and the cinematographic vision of Dean Semler, Chris Woods and David Snyder. Rocky and Annabel provided the initial spark for the project, but it was really the melding of so many other creative talents. They probably wouldn't have much to contribute towards a 'director's cut' since they're really wasn't one single entity that directed the movie.

Redstar wrote:

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:Hmm... in this case, "George Lucas" = "Rocky Morton and Annabel Jankel"...

I am both scared and intrigued by the notion of them setting foot anywhere near the movie again...

The film was essentially the product of actor improvisation, daily rewrites and the cinematographic vision of Dean Semler, Chris Woods and David Snyder. Rocky and Annabel provided the initial spark for the project, but it was really the melding of so many other creative talents. They probably wouldn't have much to contribute towards a 'director's cut' since they're really wasn't one single entity that directed the movie.

Yeah, I know, but weren't they also changing their minds constantly, and trying to push (against others) for a darker, more adult, less game-related version of the movie?

I'm happy with what we got, but, as you noted, it took the visions of plenty of others to get there.

The thought of them essentially remolding it to their whims and theirs alone both frightens and intrigues me.

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote:Yeah, I know, but weren't they also changing their minds constantly, and trying to push (against others) for a darker, more adult, less game-related version of the movie?

You also have to remember that everyone signed on to make that 'darker,' 'more adult' version of the movie, but the producers/Disney forced a lighter script on them at the last minute. Everything that Rocky and Annabel did was just to bring it closer to their original vision which everyone loved.

Hmm, really? Interesting...

digitally add Luigi's mustache!

Well I would obviously add in luigis moustache with Cgi

Leguizamo actually looks great with a mustache. I'm sure that with modern CG they could easily add him a 'stache, but would he really look right? He's a kid! His whole character is based around being a goofy, lovable kid.

Good Lord, these are all terrible ideas. Once a movie is completed, you don't go back and alter it unless you're adding more scenes cut from the initial production to do a director's cut of some sort. You never, under any moral circumstances should ever add something to the movie twenty years later that you couldn't afford to do back in the day for the sake of aesthetics. It's highly immoral and just plain wrong.

If I had my way, George Lucas would have his hands cut off and his lips sealed shut so he could never go back and edit a movie or suggest an idea ever again.

Then again they're his movies, not ours so he can do whatever he wants with them. It doesn't mean I agree with some of the changes but it does mean I have no control over them. Also, are you really taking that moustache thing seriously? Do you even realize that this was supposed to make FUN of the changes George Lucas did?

1upmushroom wrote:Then again they're his movies, not ours so he can do whatever he wants with them. It doesn't mean I agree with some of the changes but it does mean I have no control over them. Also, are you really taking that moustache thing seriously? Do you even realize that this was supposed to make FUN of the changes George Lucas did?

Exactly.

Lucas and Star Wars are simply the most prominent example of a classic film being updated for the worse. Many films have been revisited years or even decades later and become far more enjoyable. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a very good example.

what if SMB got the Jorge Claus treatment?

in case your wondering this is a bad joke to Mother 3
George, Jorge
Lucas, Claus

XD