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Mutations Make Evolution Irreversible

Postby Redstar » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:18 pm

Mutations Make Evolution Irreversible: By Resurrecting Ancient Proteins, Researchers Find That Evolution Can Only Go Forward

I came across this interesting article concerning mutation and how it relates to evolution that essentially closes the door on "de-evolution." Basically, as mutations build up they they end up building new patterns with the old as the foundation. You can't remove one new gene to express an older one as they're now in a strict pattern. Even a few mutations can make the pattern incompatible with earlier genes, making them do absolutely nothing even if activated by force.

So, at a casual glance, Koopa's "de-evolution" technology makes no sense on a scientific level. We all already knew that, but here's the evidence behind it. Does that mean de-evolution is entirely unfeasible in the world of Super Mario? Well, there's another theory of mine we'll look into at another time...
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Re: Mutations Make Evolution Irreversible

Postby Serum » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:56 pm

Irreversible, but not impossible-- nothing's impossible. Improbable, unlikely, but never impossible. Words I will take with me to my grave. Even if it is, who cares? It's SCIENCE FICTION! :mrgreen:
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Re: Mutations Make Evolution Irreversible

Postby Wesr » Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:39 am

It could have been an evolution weapon that returns them to their ideal evolved state. Yeah I just made it up but maybe evolution returns a creature to a previous state but a more advanced version of it.
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Re: Mutations Make Evolution Irreversible

Postby Redstar » Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:14 am

Wesr wrote:It could have been an evolution weapon that returns them to their ideal evolved state. Yeah I just made it up but maybe evolution returns a creature to a previous state but a more advanced version of it.

The way I see it is that the devo technology doesn't necessarily "de-evolve" organisms, but rather evolves them towards a state that happens to just resemble ancestral heritage.
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Re: Mutations Make Evolution Irreversible

Postby SethRex » Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:13 pm

In a way you could say that's why the dinosaur people never de-evolved directly back into dinosaurs, instead becoming the goombas we all know and 'love' in the movie. Not sure about the fact Scapelli was able to transform into an ape later.
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Re: Mutations Make Evolution Irreversible

Postby Serum » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:49 pm

I think the term "de-evolution" is a misnomer, as it doesn't truly de-evolve a being-- it mutates them. I mean, the people in the Mushroom Kingdom probably didn't evolve from Goombas, but rather something that sort of looked like Goombas. The "de-evolution" machine is probably a mix of complex science that Koopa and his team of scientists concocted over the years that infuses the ability to mutate cells, simplifying them and creates a new organism that has far less complex thinking processes than a normal being. The Goombas are not just a simpler lifeform, but they're in a sense super-soldiers, with unusual strength and (usually) a sense of loyalty. However, due to their simplistic nature, they often tend to wander from their missions and in the end, wind up dancing in the streets and if the movie had gone on longer, may have even rebelled against Koopa and his army of cops. We may have even seen a "Goomba civil war" where they fought each other, the ones who sided with Koopa and the ones who rebelled against him...

As for the "evolve" setting on the machine, that's probably similar to the "learning machine" in the L. Ron Hubbard novel Battlefield Earth (Redstar will know what I'm talking about, here.) where the Psychlos leave Johnny Goodboy out in that mud pen for weeks with the learning machine which teaches him the Psychlo language and the workings of math, science, geography and other things that would take a normal being years to come to understand in a matter of moments. So, in a way, Koopa is sort of similar to Terl, in that he gives someone he wants working for him the ability to learn quickly, boosting their intelligence to a level far beyond that of a normal person and inadvertently leads to his own downfall. I'm sure that as Koopa was getting "de-evolved" in the finale, the thought of evolving Iggy and Spike went through his head and he probably thought something along the lines of "That seems kind of stupid in retrospect..."
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