Super Mario Bros. 2: The Rise of Bowser (Discussion Thread)

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

after viewing the movie I think that now might be the time to either resurrect the Mario movie franchise by either a.) rebooting it or b.) giving it a sequel. What do you all think?

[LBD_Nytetrayn]

I think that if anything were to happen, Nintendo would probably be a lot more hands-on with it, and that any resemblance to the original movie would be as much as the original movie resembled the games...

[Redstar]

I've expressed this thought before, but I don't think the Super Mario property is really one that needs a reboot at this time, let alone one that easily could be reimagined. It just has so much mythology behind it that expectations of what the character is are too wildly different. It's part of what it's been so difficult to make a proper Batman or Superman film these days: too much baggage.

However, a low-key sequel in the form of a comic series series would be pretty cool. What's your idea, though?

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

my ideas are to intoduce the Bowser character (not Koopa from the first film but Bowser who in this idea is the uncle to Daisy and brother to King Bowser) whaty has happened is since the first film Dinohattan has expanded into a whole bigger area. However trouble is coming as Lord Bowser (in his human form) approaches from his exile. Upon return he comments on the death of the toadstool family (with the exception of a "beautiful peach") Mario and Luigi are called in to defeat him however his seven sons are upon the residence.

Knowing that the goombas are not a match to the two characters he orders six of his sons to shoot him with the new de-evolving guns, (which have an evolution feature on them) three shoot a de-evolution ray three shoot him with the advanced evolution function of the ray, causing a transformation into a de-evolved form with the brain of an advanced being (the character resembling a monster form of the video game counterpart)

i could see it in a feature film format however that is only if Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo would be up for it (which according to what they have said in their experiences is highly doubtful)

that's my idea no one please take it as their own

[Redstar]

Like most people who have speculated on a sequel, you seem to be skewing the concepts of the film more closely to the themes of and elements of the games. It's something that could work, though it has to be done exactly right. The two properties are just too different thematically to really be reconciled completely.

I'm somewhat confused about who exactly your King/Lord Bowser is. According to promotional media, Daisy's father was named King Bowser, yet you've given that title to her uncle. Is he meant to be her father's brother, Koopa's brother or both?

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

The character of Lord Bowser is the brother to King Bowser (Lance Henriksen) who was exiled from the kingdom until King Bowser's demise and became a tyranical monster with seven sons in tow. After his brother's passing at the hands of one of the boys He returns (even though he looks somewhere in his early twenties he is much much older than King Bowser). He feel malice towards his niece (who is the ruler of the Kingdom by this time) and despises the Mario brothers (due to their heroic status even though they are mammals.) He reveals that the Toadstools are deceased with the exception of a "pretty little peach" who is "in another castle" His seven sons plan to help Lord Bowser rule the kingdom and bring our world to ruin.

He would fit into the world as Lord Bowser (due to the King Bowser being his brother). How he relates to Koopa is that he helped track down Daisy's mother in the real world (see the opening of the first movie) It was here where he was exiled by King Bowser. In Fact Lord Bowser (who then was known as just Bowser), gave the order to Koopa to de-evolve King Bowser into the fungus seen in the first one.

His return to the kingdom brings great terror to the kingdom as he was a monster then and now upon his return many fear him.

[LyanRai]

I think that a sequel could be a good idea, but personally I'd like to see a new animated series before that. This way, people have time to get used to the idea, or learn it again if they're older. Also, with a cartoon, you can develop the characters more and be able in the movie to focus on better effects and overall quality.

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

True Lyan, but if there is an animated show first then a movie, more people would assume that the movie would be loosely based on the show. I say do the movie first or if not show reruns of the older shows and movie on cable or network tv to get people interested

[Redstar]

True Lyan, but if there is an animated show first then a movie, more people would assume that the movie would be loosely based on the show. I say do the movie first or if not show reruns of the older shows and movie on cable or network tv to get people interested

A television show in the same vein as Tron: Uprising or even The Real Ghostbusters would be a great way to continue the adventure between films. It's been discussed on the forums before, both as a hypothetical and a fan works by 1upmushroom.

I'm really liking this character of Lord Bowser, especially in that he's related to the King and Daisy rather than Koopa himself. It adds a much more political overtone to the concept while avoiding the typical cliche that fan fiction for this film usually falls into.

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

that was what I am going for. This guy (in comparison to Koopa) is much worse than he is. In human form he is tyranical, highly educated, trained is several deadly arts. But there are sides of him that interest others like his fondness for the artworks of many artists. He in turn despises the royal family and would rather watch the kingdom crumble and rebuild it in his design and his image.

[1upmushroom]

I sort of thought about Bowser being another character in a continuation of SMB however my Bowser is more like Dr. Claw wheras Lord Bowser here is more active. My main question is what would this sequel be called? Surely not "possible sequel idea."

Though in all seriousness I probably wouldn't try to mish mash the movie and games like many other people (including myself) have done before if this is to be more for an adult audience. A couple of references of the gaqmes in the style of movie is fine but just adding obvious game refferences from out of the blue is a bit distracting. But that's my opinion.

Honestly (I've said this before but I'll say it again) I much perfer fan fics that explore the origins of the SMB MOVIE not the continutions of the movie. However, I'll stick around and see if you take this idea anywhere. The idea of Lord Bowser is an interesting one I must say.

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

I haven't thought of a suitable title for the film. I have so far had an idea for:

Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario Bros.: Rise of Bowser

actually that's about it.

Anywho I don't consider this a DIRECT continuation, i consider it after the first film. It takes place YEARS after the events of part one and not directly after daisy smiles at the end

[Redstar]

I like "Rise of Bowser" myself, though the "Rise of X" title formula has become almost cliche in recent years. Might I suggest "Super Mario Bros. 2: Pretender to the Throne" or something along those lines? The title could suggest either Daisy or Bowser, with perhaps Peach being the rightful heir in the end.

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

hmmm......sounds like a good idea

Super Mario Bros. 2: Bowser Uprising


what do you think

[Serum]

Or, if we go the route of the Batman films, it could be "Super Mario Bros (INSERT VERB HERE)." Like, "The Super Mario Bros. Return," or in the case of the new Batman, "Rise."

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

"That is a Possibility" Gravis Mushnik, THE LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS

sounds like it would be an excellent project

[Redstar]

I think that, in the end, "Super Mario Bros. 2: The Rise of Bowser" really is the best title for this project. Would you like me to change the thread's title to reflect that?

Also, when will we start seeing some concept art! You've really made me passionate about seeing just how Bowser looks compared to Koopa. Will he have a "human" stage or will he be entirely dinosaur throughout the story?

[Serum]

Also, when will we start seeing some concept art! You've really made me passionate about seeing just how Bowser looks compared to Koopa. Will he have a "human" stage or will he be entirely dinosaur throughout the story?

If he's Bowser from the start, he should look like one of Jim Henson's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That would be awesome.

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

I'd rather keep Bowser's truest form a secret in this point. Yes he has a human form (He's King Bowser's brother after all) and his dinoform looks a lot like a prehistoric form of his video game counterpart. It will look....hopefully epic

[Prime Evil]

Or, if we go the route of the Batman films, it could be "Super Mario Bros (INSERT VERB HERE)."

That could be a good idea for a new SMB show on PBS Kids. "Today, we're-a gonna INSERT-A THE VERB!"

Oh, wait...that's not what you meant, is it?

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

lol

[Serum]

Well, it's a preference of mine. I prefer more sensible sequel titles, rather than "Title: Subtitle," which is something that's going to confuse people three hundred years from now when they're trying to watch the "Resident Evil" movies in chronological order.

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

it's ok, that's why i inserted the 2 in there

[Serum]

it's ok, that's why i inserted the 2 in there

C'est magnifique! You're officially a better producer than Paul WS Anderson.

[DiscombobulatedCorp]

XD