SMB Fan-cut/edit

[1upmushroom]

Phlibb may have seen these already, but the inserted footage from Sci-Fi channel Anonymous Rex in the de-vo chamber scene:

Its good but one thing, the way Toad says EVER is extremely right after he says You can get rid of him, while that's not bad, it sounds very obvious, that a cut was made, what I would do is make the shot where Toad "You can't get rid of him" last a little longer, after he says that line, but that's just me. Also, ya might wanna edit a few things to make the sound effects fit that console bit.

[Redstar]

(Responses to Phlibb and ultimate on last page)

Its good but one thing, the way Toad says EVER is extremely right after he says You can get rid of him, while that's not bad, it sounds very obvious, that a cut was made, what I would do is make the shot where Toad "You can't get rid of him" last a little longer, after he says that line, but that's just me. Also, ya might wanna edit a few things to make the sound effects fit that console bit.

Yeah, I kept forgetting to mention that another cut was done to that scene: I'd removed Koopa saying "See you later, alligator" to Toad. I thought the cut was flawless, but the sound is an issue. I suppose I could just remove him saying that, since it would fix the problem, but it does make more sense for him to say it right after rather than in the official movie, when he says it like 30 seconds later after Koopa says his line. "Ever!" just doesn't sound that great as a "last words" kind of line.

The console part is just a test. As I said, I'd like to get new footage of someone wearing black gloves typing at a console which I could map the new Anonymous Rex graphics onto the screen. The computer's voice just does not fit as it is, and nor would it if I were to do as planned. I would like to just replace it altogether with simple typing noises.

[1upmushroom]

(Responses to Phlibb and ultimate on last page)

Its good but one thing, the way Toad says EVER is extremely right after he says You can get rid of him, while that's not bad, it sounds very obvious, that a cut was made, what I would do is make the shot where Toad "You can't get rid of him" last a little longer, after he says that line, but that's just me. Also, ya might wanna edit a few things to make the sound effects fit that console bit.

Yeah, I kept forgetting to mention that another cut was done to that scene: I'd removed Koopa saying "See you later, alligator" to Toad. I thought the cut was flawless, but the sound is an issue. I suppose I could just remove him saying that, since it would fix the problem, but it does make more sense for him to say it right after rather than in the official movie, when he says it like 30 seconds later after Koopa says his line. "Ever!" just doesn't sound that great as a "last words" kind of line.

The console part is just a test. As I said, I'd like to get new footage of someone wearing black gloves typing at a console which I could map the new Anonymous Rex graphics onto the screen. The computer's voice just does not fit as it is, and nor would it if I were to do as planned. I would like to just replace it altogether with simple typing noises.

Actually, I think it would be better to do this.

"You can't get rid of him!!!" 3 second pause "EVER!!!!"
Also, I like the console part, keep it, just change the sound effect to, instead of twisting a nob, use typing noises, and make the voice, like mac computer, or femal computer voice.

[Redstar]

I can probably manage a slight pause, but getting a new computer voice? That'll be harder, since all I really know to do is find a synthesizer online... But those are rather lame. Only other option is to re-record the lines, then tweak it. Any takers?

[1upmushroom]

I can probably manage a slight pause, but getting a new computer voice? That'll be harder, since all I really know to do is find a synthesizer online... But those are rather lame. Only other option is to re-record the lines, then tweak it. Any takers?

Or you can just change the tweeking sound, with a typing sound.

[Redstar]

Yeah, I considered that. But, as I mentioned before, the audio track and the soundtrack occupy the same channel so it's difficult to remove one without affecting the other. The two can be split, but I don't know how and don't have the software for audio work. So it's either replace it entirely, or someone offers to either split the audio tracks or do the extreme audio-work.

[Serum]

It would be nice if you could find the original negative of the movie and make your own edit from scratch.

[ultimateemail5000]

It would be nice if you could find the original negative of the movie and make your own edit from scratch.

That would be way better. I once asked a company how much it would cost to clean up and transfer the first 35mm reel, they gave me an expensive price, then said it would be returned to the original owner. I said screw that.

Hey Redstar I don't think Im going to edit the SMW sprite in, it doesnt look right because of the limited frames.

[Redstar]

Hey Redstar I don't think Im going to edit the SMW sprite in, it doesnt look right because of the limited frames.

Man, I'm disappointed... Is that the complete sprite, so no matter what it won't be good? If the actual SNES has limited frames, I dunno how it wouldn't look just as good in the intro. If anything, how about the SMB3 sprite?

Look at my last response to you, about Judge Dredd. Curious about your opinion on that.

[Zack]

LOL Love the new opening, except I dunno, the explosion doesn't agree with me for some reason. Like all the Mario stuff is great the explosion seems a bit random, I guess I'd prefer some other way of getting the title out, even if it was another sound effect with it flying out. That's my only minor thing, maybe with another watch I'll see it differently

[1upmushroom]

Yeah, I considered that. But, as I mentioned before, the audio track and the soundtrack occupy the same channel so it's difficult to remove one without affecting the other. The two can be split, but I don't know how and don't have the software for audio work. So it's either replace it entirely, or someone offers to either split the audio tracks or do the extreme audio-work.

Or, you can mute that scene, use the soundtrack on the soundtrack thread, use a typing track, re-do the computer voice, and there you go.

[ultimateemail5000]

Hey Redstar I don't think Im going to edit the SMW sprite in, it doesnt look right because of the limited frames.

Man, I'm disappointed... Is that the complete sprite, so no matter what it won't be good? If the actual SNES has limited frames, I dunno how it wouldn't look just as good in the intro. If anything, how about the SMB3 sprite?

Look at my last response to you, about Judge Dredd. Curious about your opinion on that.

Yeah you should use it. If anyway you should try to use the guy falling from the statue as Koopa falling. Somehow make ity work.

[marioblaster]

LOL Love the new opening, except I dunno, the explosion doesn't agree with me for some reason. Like all the Mario stuff is great the explosion seems a bit random, I guess I'd prefer some other way of getting the title out, even if it was another sound effect with it flying out. That's my only minor thing, maybe with another watch I'll see it differently

How about using the 1up sound with a zoom edit?

You know how mario rapidlly shrinks up and down when he gets a 1up? What if the title zoom in effect was done to match the mario shrinking/growth effect compiled with the 1up sound? I can't really explain it. But instead of having a solid zoom in with the title, it would stop for a second, zoom some more, stop for a second, zoom some more until the title was full screen. Of course that goes really really fast but it would match the shrink grow 1up effect with the sound.

Plus with the mario hitting that logo in the beginning to make it switch, a 1up mushroom could pop up and ride along the top and drop down. Mario could then chase the mashroom along the bottom of the screen while the other credit text is showing. But then when he gets the mushroom...the title does the growing. And then fades into NY.

I prolly wouldn't keep the explosion, it's makes the movie seem like an action movie. And the new music looping prolly needs to be tweaked just a little as by the time the camera gets near the plumber display, there is a delay or lag and you can notice the change in music.

Overall the work is great...already we're better off then the original right now in terms of startup intro.

[Redstar]

Yeah you should use it. If anyway you should try to use the guy falling from the statue as Koopa falling. Somehow make ity work.

That would completely change the ending of the movie. lol

I only really wanted to add one completely new scene that changes the dynamic of the film's action. As I mentioned in another thread, I find it weird that Koopa is chasing Mario through the streets at the end of the movie, but the next shot of them they're suddenly on the walkway. I want to try to put a scene between those of them struggling on a speeding Bullet Bill train, which I can probably manage because Hopper does such a thing in Speed.

How about using the 1up sound with a zoom edit?

You know how mario rapidlly shrinks up and down when he gets a 1up? What if the title zoom in effect was done to match the mario shrinking/growth effect compiled with the 1up sound? I can't really explain it. But instead of having a solid zoom in with the title, it would stop for a second, zoom some more, stop for a second, zoom some more until the title was full screen. Of course that goes really really fast but it would match the shrink grow 1up effect with the sound.

Plus with the mario hitting that logo in the beginning to make it switch, a 1up mushroom could pop up and ride along the top and drop down. Mario could then chase the mashroom along the bottom of the screen while the other credit text is showing. But then when he gets the mushroom...the title does the growing. And then fades into NY.

I get what you mean, and I quite like it. I originally suggested quite the same thing... Actually, I've just now got a new idea: what if we start with a SMB sprite of Mario that walks up and hits the LightMotive logo, turning it into the Allied Filmmakers logo. He then walks off stage, returning from the left again, but now a SMB2 or SMB3 sprite. He hits the logo again, turning it into the Cinergi logo, then walks off stage. Finally, he returns as the SMW sprite and hits it once more, turning it into the film logo, which then comes towards the screen with the growing sound (each one before can be the one-up sound) and we move into the live-action city. It'd be like Mario's powering-up towards higher and higher forms until he's "live-action" Mario.

It sounds like a fun idea, but ultimate has stated the SMW sprite has too few frames. But, if he's interested in this idea, I have an idea to get around that. Otherwise, I know that more attention is usually paid to the film logos before they even move onto showing the cast cards. So it'd definitely give it a more official feel, as well as being a fun way to start the movie. Thoughts?

I prolly wouldn't keep the explosion, it's makes the movie seem like an action movie. And the new music looping prolly needs to be tweaked just a little as by the time the camera gets near the plumber display, there is a delay or lag and you can notice the change in music.

I like the sense the explosion gives by making you feel "This ain't no game!", but I feel that could better be expressed. An explosion does, as you say, make it feel like an action movie. I like my suggestion above, but in the end I really don't want us focusing on what happens before the movie even starts too much.

[Phlibbit]

I get what you mean, and I quite like it. I originally suggested quite the same thing... Actually, I've just now got a new idea: what if we start with a SMB sprite of Mario that walks up and hits the LightMotive logo, turning it into the Allied Filmmakers logo. He then walks off stage, returning from the left again, but now a SMB2 or SMB3 sprite. He hits the logo again, turning it into the Cinergi logo, then walks off stage. Finally, he returns as the SMW sprite and hits it once more, turning it into the film logo, which then comes towards the screen with the growing sound (each one before can be the one-up sound) and we move into the live-action city. It'd be like Mario's powering-up towards higher and higher forms until he's "live-action" Mario.

No, no wait. After he's the SMW sprite, he goes off screen again, and then Captain Lou comes in as Mario and does the Mario on screen and THEN the logo flies on screen. Genius.

All joking aside, I like a lot of these ideas. However, there's a fine line between the intro credits being a nice, fun intro, and being way too busy for it's own good. I like having the SMB1 Mario sprite on there because of two reasons. One, he's wearing the red overalls. Two, it's one of the most universally recognizable sprites there is, especially if we're pretending it's 1993. It's the "standard" Mario sprite. I dunno, I think it just works best.

The logo exploding was hilarious. It kinda comes out of nowhere. It's like...logo! What do we do with it? Umm...'splosion! Kind of like how Michael Bay solves problems.

To solve the logo problem without it getting too busy, I have an idea. Remember how in the actual movie, it zooms in, stays there for a second, and it zooms past the screen, through an "O?" Just have it zoom through the "O" into your shot of Brooklyn. Simple as that. Of course, you'd probably have to take every frame and take out the film part, but I think it can be done.

[Redstar]

All joking aside, I like a lot of these ideas. However, there's a fine line between the intro credits being a nice, fun intro, and being way too busy for it's own good. I like having the SMB1 Mario sprite on there because of two reasons. One, he's wearing the red overalls. Two, it's one of the most universally recognizable sprites there is, especially if we're pretending it's 1993. It's the "standard" Mario sprite. I dunno, I think it just works best.

To solve the logo problem without it getting too busy, I have an idea. Remember how in the actual movie, it zooms in, stays there for a second, and it zooms past the screen, through an "O?" Just have it zoom through the "O" into your shot of Brooklyn. Simple as that. Of course, you'd probably have to take every frame and take out the film part, but I think it can be done.

Yes, simplicity is always best. I like throwing these ideas around, but I keep having to remind myself not to go overboard (as I did with my last post). However, many films do opening credits just such as this. The Pink Panther and Catch Me If You Can have animated figures acting around the actor credits and so on. It's a fairly common tactic used in films these days.

As it is now, I think it's just a tad short, and the credits card that says all the different companies involved is just too crowded. My suggestion evens it out a bit more, but makes it fun in the process. I'd like going with something simple, like what you suggested, but I don't want it to be too simple.

[ultimateemail5000]

I get what you mean, and I quite like it. I originally suggested quite the same thing... Actually, I've just now got a new idea: what if we start with a SMB sprite of Mario that walks up and hits the LightMotive logo, turning it into the Allied Filmmakers logo. He then walks off stage, returning from the left again, but now a SMB2 or SMB3 sprite. He hits the logo again, turning it into the Cinergi logo, then walks off stage. Finally, he returns as the SMW sprite and hits it once more, turning it into the film logo, which then comes towards the screen with the growing sound (each one before can be the one-up sound) and we move into the live-action city. It'd be like Mario's powering-up towards higher and higher forms until he's "live-action" Mario.

No, no wait. After he's the SMW sprite, he goes off screen again, and then Captain Lou comes in as Mario and does the Mario on screen and THEN the logo flies on screen. Genius.

All joking aside, I like a lot of these ideas. However, there's a fine line between the intro credits being a nice, fun intro, and being way too busy for it's own good. I like having the SMB1 Mario sprite on there because of two reasons. One, he's wearing the red overalls. Two, it's one of the most universally recognizable sprites there is, especially if we're pretending it's 1993. It's the "standard" Mario sprite. I dunno, I think it just works best.

The logo exploding was hilarious. It kinda comes out of nowhere. It's like...logo! What do we do with it? Umm...'splosion! Kind of like how Michael Bay solves problems.

To solve the logo problem without it getting too busy, I have an idea. Remember how in the actual movie, it zooms in, stays there for a second, and it zooms past the screen, through an "O?" Just have it zoom through the "O" into your shot of Brooklyn. Simple as that. Of course, you'd probably have to take every frame and take out the film part, but I think it can be done.

What Phlibbit just said, thank you so much. I probably won't change anything else it's to much time. I know I could make it like the original with NY in the O. But it would take so long. A simple cut and paste save as image long. This is really all I want to do was the intro. Titles exploding is one of the greatest effects ever, the MB movie is kind of an action film so I don't see why it's out of place. I'll fix the filmmakers typo but after that I'm not touching anything else on it, use it or ditch t the way it is.

[Redstar]

Fair enough. Will you be accenting the e's as well? Those being left as-is wouldn't be good either.

[ultimateemail5000]

Fair enough. Will you be accenting the e's as well? Those being left as-is wouldn't be good either.

Oh yeah those to.

[Redstar]

Nice. Alright, when you're done just send it over. I really appreciate it. Even if we didn't get to take it farther, the discussion it inspired was certainly worth it. Lots of new ideas floating around up there.

[ultimateemail5000]

I could have used this custom one I made rendered from an existing sprite, but thats the only frame I have.

[Redstar]

lol. That's pretty cool. If you want, you can animate them over the end-credits. Be an interesting complement to have classic sprites at the beginning, and live-action based ones at the end.

Right now I'm getting Judge Dredd and Speed. Judge Dredd has some more shots that could be used, such as Mega-city 01 from the desert outside. Those could easily be used to expand the desert scenes a little, so we'll see how that works out. Speed has Dennis Hopper as the bad guy, and he's wearing a police uniform in a few scenes. While I mostly want to splice in the fight he has with Reeves on the train to give the Bullet Bill train some attention, there may also be something I can use for flashbacks.

I've also looked at Hopper's filmography to see if I could find anything worth getting material from, but unfortunately it hasn't been as helpful as I'd hoped. His role in Boiling Point, also in 1993, however might work. He's dressed as a businessman and has the same hair color and near-hair style as in SMB, so I might be able to get something from that. Here's the trailer:

[Redstar]

After watching Speed, it won't work. The Bullet Bill train fight scene will probably have to be discarded, so instead I'll be turning my sights on reconstructing Koopa's take-over Dinohattan as flashbacks. This should be relatively easy, and I'm finding lots of stuff that might work for both a younger King Bowser and a good background for Koopa. I've found some good shots of buildings to be used as Bowser's royal palace before Koopa turns it into the Towers, so I think you'll all like this once it's put-together.

In the meantime, I recalled I said I'd put up comparison videos of the Luigi-and-Daisy-parting scene to see what you would all think. So, here they are:


Now, recall my reasoning for this: I feel that the movie is Luigi's story, and his development towards maturity and becoming a hero in his own right. This was best shown when the missing Brooklyn girls asked who he was, and he replied "Luigi. You got a problem with that?" That whole development was undermined by the end, when he had to be told by Mario what he should have figured out himself, when he'd spent the whole movie "believing" and "trusting". By removing Mario's interjection, I've tried to make the scene all about Luigi and Daisy, and without Mario, Luigi must make the difficult choice himself.

[Zack]

lol I dunno. I'm torn. I like the new clip but I think before it seems like Luigi understands the situation and doesn't really "notice" Mario is there and has worked things out for himself. Other that just explaining to the audience again if they're slow enough not to see it, just sort of showing Mario's constant need to think he has to help Luigi and like you said, he knows whats going on and Mario's line recommending he should butt out when they start kissing Especially after he turns away and sort of turns back like he's trying to fight being there for Luigi even though he's figured things out for himself.

Good work either way! Those might just be my feelings on it.

[Redstar]

You know, I never thought of it that way. His second line really does suggest that...

I dunno. His first line has both that positive, as well as the negative I pointed out. It all depends on the audience, really, and what they interpret. From what I can tell, the original cut is good because it would show that Luigi is ignoring him and deciding for himself, but it is also bad because it could also be interpreted as Mario still needing to tell him what to do. The first two reasons balance out, so I should say the only good point for the cut is that it keeps the focus on Luigi and Daisy. Thoughts?

[Phlibbit]

I too agree that the film really is Luigi's story in the end. And it was from the start--even in the super early draft scripts. The scene works either way, but if you do cut out Mario talking, cut it out completely.

[moviemaker29]

I'm curious if you've thought of trying to incorporate any of the monorail footage from Batman Begins into your SMB cut?

If nothing else, you might be able to use it as a nice cut/establishing shot and still be able to get the Bullet Bill effect in there.

Other films with trains/subways you might be able to use shots from:

Mission Impossible
Spider-Man 2 & 3

[Redstar]

I know I want to establish a shot of a train to later be graphically-altered to resemble a Bullet Bill train, but where to get such footage I don't know. I know I want it to be an L train or a lifted train, such as the one found in Chicago, but that type of train isn't often seen in movies. It's usually just subways. I also have to take into consideration the visuals of the city of Dinohattan, so any old shot won't work... I need to a crowded, grungy shot that would feel at home in Blade Runner. I'm welcome to any suggestions, though I'd appreciate an example clip or a still image so I can be sure of what I'm looking into.

[moviemaker29]

Yeah I totally understand how you need the look of the train to fit in with the feel of the film.

I still think you should give Batman Begins a look. There were some great shots of the El trains in that film and it had a dark feel you're looking for.

When I get a few minutes, I'll see if I can find some good shots for you to use.

[Redstar]

I've yet to see either Batman movie, so I really have no idea if the supposed train would be suitable. I'll find out eventually.

[Phlibbit]

I've yet to see either Batman movie

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WHAT!?

Stop what you're doing RIGHT NOW and go watch them. I mean it. Best movies ever. EVER. Other than SMB, of course

[ultimateemail5000]

I've yet to see either Batman movie

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WHAT!?

Stop what you're doing RIGHT NOW and go watch them. I mean it. Best movies ever. EVER. Other than SMB, of course

They might be good, but I really don't think t hey will ever compare to the Adam West Batman movie. hahaha. We'll never see Batman battle a shark ever again.

[Phlibbit]

"Don't forget...the shark...repellant...bat-spray..."

"What weighs four ounces, sits in a tree, and is very dangerous? ...A sparrow with a machine gun."

[Redstar]

I've yet to see either Batman movie

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WHAT!?

Stop what you're doing RIGHT NOW and go watch them. I mean it. Best movies ever. EVER. Other than SMB, of course

I plan to, but I won't see the second until I've seen the first. Just the way I am, and we don't have the first.

My footage suggestion thread has had zero posts so far, so, to be on-topic, I just want to remind anyone to feel free to suggest anything they think would work for splicing into the movie. While I'm mainly looking for what I requested, I'll take anything, really.

[moviemaker29]

Yeah you DEFINITELY need to see Batman Begins and The Dark Knight!

I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised by not only how good the monorail scenes in Batman Begins are, but also just how excellent both movies are in general.

You really need to check them both out NOW.

[1upmushroom]

Hey Redstar. If you haven't given up already. I told you what to do with the devo scene. First, you mute the entire part, then include the soundtrck from the soundtrack, then use some typing sounds, then use a computer voice, then return the other scene to normal and there you go.

[Redstar]

I haven't necessarily given up, though I am working on another project and recently started my next semester of school. Much of the reason I stopped working was because ultimate was going to send me what he'd done, and I didn't want to pester him over it. But, I was actually recently contacted by another film-cutter who is interested in cutting the SMB movie, so maybe something will get started with him.

[Guest]

There is a program where it takes a video clip and extracts each frame from it. You could use that to rotoscope Dennis Hopper into the clips you are planning to use for the flashback sequences.

[Redstar]

And what program might that be?

[Guest]

There is one called Blaze Media Pro. It has that option where you can rip all of the frames from a clip and it converts them to BMP or JPEG format for edit. You can also recombine the frames back into a clip.

I dont know if this guy used the program i mentioned, but in this fan edit called "Robocop vs The Terminator" he was able to paste Robocop into some frames with the The Terminator. (One scene Arnold actually picks up Robo.)